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June 18, 2004

You Just Can't Trust BMW Owners

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Posted by Ernest Miller

Yesterday, Gizmodo broke the news on details about the upcoming Apple iPod/BMW promotion (Gizmodo Exclusive: iPod Your BMW Secrets Revealed). C|Net News has a brief story as well (Apple turns car owners green). The big hullabaloo is that BMW will be offering an iPod connection kit for some of its cars that includes a docking port for the iPod and will allow users to control some of the iPod's functions from the steering wheel.

Whoo! Those engineers are thinking outside the box! I've got a better idea though, how about a friggin' hard drive in the BMW that you can transfer songs from the iPod to so that you don't have to remember to bring your iPod with you all the time? Maybe you could even have auto-synch capability so that the BMW's hard drive gets updated each time you do bring the iPod along.

Oh, that's right, the iPod doesn't let users upload songs to another device because iPod owners are nothing but dirty, stinking thieves (who can afford very expensive cars).

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1. Bill Costello on June 18, 2004 11:21 AM writes...

Man, what a MORON you are.
Lets see...The hard drive you would like has been out for, oh, 3 years now...It's called Phatbox, and will cost you as much as 3 iPods...and Apple would not be stupid enough to release such a limited product. Why have another device with separate playlists that you have to keep updating to match your iPod when the iPod can serve the task of both personal and car MP3 player?

The only thing you are correct about is that Apple users can afford expensive cars. Demographically, we make much higher salaries than PC users. It's a fact- read up on it.

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2. Ernest Miller on June 18, 2004 11:36 AM writes...

Listen, JERK, I would appreciate it if you used more temperate language in your responses. But if you want to be an impolite IDIOT, that is your business.

Yes, there are MP3 hard drives for cars available. You say they would cost the same as 3 iPods. But why not simply solder a darn iPod into the car? That would cost, let me calculate here, about the same as a single iPod. The only difference you would have to make is some software programming so you could swap music from the mobile iPod to the fixed iPod.

Maybe you missed the point I mentioned about the auto-synch feature ... so you could keep your playlists up-to-date.

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3. hmurchison on June 18, 2004 11:39 AM writes...

Bill the Phatbox doesn't support BMW's MOST bus nor does it support AAC. Earnest is far a moron.

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4. Invalid Username on June 18, 2004 11:55 AM writes...

You can authorize five computers to play your iTunes, you can play your tunes on an unlimited number of iPods. So who's to say the Beamer won't be one of the five or be a virtual iPod.

There are multifarious options for connectivity and features, predicting which Apple will/will not chose is more difficult than you seem to imagine. You chose to lambast something that doesn't yet exist on the basis of your implicit prediction which may yet prove to be incorrect.

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5. Paul Chernoff on June 18, 2004 12:24 PM writes...

I think an iPod built into a car is a good idea, though iPod users tend to carry their iPods with them at all times.

>Oh, that's right, the iPod doesn't let users upload songs to
>another device because iPod owners are nothing but dirty,
>stinking thieves (who can afford very expensive cars).

Not true. If you rip music from your CDs there are no restrictions. The only restrictions are on music purchased from the iTunes store. And the record companies insist on their being restrictions.

And WMP is more restrictive.

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6. Marcos on June 18, 2004 12:47 PM writes...

The first reply was right on the money. This Ernest is one of the biggest morons I have ever read online... and that is saying a lot. Hey Ernest why don't you just run an ethernet cable from your DSL to your car and get your tunes into your car that way? Sure it will limit you driving distance to just outside your drive way but what the heck we are just making idiotic comments here.

The first one to be impolite was you by generalizing that certain computer people are thieves or are all rich so stop whining and take your medicine you deserve it.

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7. Banister on June 18, 2004 1:15 PM writes...

I was hopefull when I heard news about the iPod + BMW joint... I thought, wow! that would be so great to park the car in the garage and have it connect wirelessly to my home network and show up in iTunes as my carPod for synchronization.

But, it seems like that is far from coming true...

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8. John on June 18, 2004 2:26 PM writes...

Do I hear an idea for Airport Express with a cigarette-lighter attacjment?

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9. ozzy on June 18, 2004 8:29 PM writes...

C'mon, how hard would it be for Apple to license the iPod to BMW, BMW to integrate it into selected audio systems, and simply add an iPod interface to their iDrive? Add a USB port to the console and a software ability to recognize a connected iPod or a laptop running iTunes, and you're synched and ready to rock.

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10. Ernest Miller on June 18, 2004 8:58 PM writes...

One of the reasons you can't do this is because you can't upload iTunes from your iPod to a Mac, even if you only authorized 4 or fewer Macs. You can move music from one Mac to another or download iTunes onto a Mac from the net, but you can't move iTunes from an iPod to a Mac, period. You can transfer files, but that isn't quite the same thing (you can't play the files as music).

Also, I was joking about iPod owners being criminals. Sheesh. I don't think you are criminals, but Apple and the RIAA apparently do. If they didn't think you were likely to be criminals, why don't they let you upload music from an iPod?

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11. Harry Wells on June 18, 2004 10:21 PM writes...

Ernest, you should know better than to upset the DRM-loving Mac zealots.

Mac zealots keep claiming that Microsoft's DRM is more restrictive. Here's a newsflash zealots: Microsoft doesn't sell any DRM'ed music or movie content. They sell DRM technology to those that do. The DRM can be as strict or liberal as the implementor wants it to be.

I'll close with these links to iTMS DRM decryption code that I'm sure will piss of DRM-loving Mac zealots even further:

http://hymn-project.org/download/hymn-0.6.2.tar.gz
http://nanocrew.net/software/DeDRMS/DeDRMS.cs

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12. Victor Panlilio on June 19, 2004 5:15 AM writes...

"you can't upload iTunes from your iPod to a Mac"

Huh? What about podUtil?

http://www.kennettnet.co.uk/software/podutil.php

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13. Ernest Miller on June 19, 2004 9:35 AM writes...

However, that utility is not provided by Apple. I was making a point about Apple's DRM, not about the fact that through various other means you could get around (which aren't as convenient as Apple building in the capability).

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14. Brad Hutchings on June 19, 2004 9:49 AM writes...

Wow Ernest, I actually sound reasonable now. Geez. iPod fans, don't flame Ernest -- he's just on an anti-DRM crusade this month. A simple difference of opinion, nothing to get upset over.

OK, now for a newsflash... Ernest is correst in one sense. iTunes won't let you copy tunes from an iPod. And the Finder hides the "iPod_Control" folder that has all the tunes, playlists, etc. Probably a safe idea from the standpoint of keeping all the data on the iPod in sync. It is, afterall, an appliance, not a general purpose computer. That's not DRM so much as "incomplete" features. You can, from the command line, copy all your songs on an iPod to your music directory.

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15. Brad Hutchings on June 19, 2004 9:52 AM writes...

I forgot a couple things... One is the obligatory BMW/porcupine joke reference. The other is that if I had a good way to hook my iPod up to the car stereo in my Mustang GT, I'd buy another iPod just for the car and the gym. Very cool to be able to take it with me...

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16. Robert Carian on June 19, 2004 1:32 PM writes...

We all know folks like Harry.
Bill Costelo had it right regarding the demographics. Harry's post makes it clear that when it comes to commen sense, die hard windoz lemmings that will use any opprtunity to defend their right to use, pay for and be screwed over by Microsoft. Anyone who believes that MS is just a nice tech company that gives business the DRM tools that they need while Gates & Co. is just standing by watching the "other folks" make the money is one stupid mofo. I can just see him now, extolling the virtues of Longhorn 2004, er ah 2005, er ah 2006. And to post a comment that Apple's DRM is restrictive, while not commenting on the practices of MS is, well dumb with a capital D. I can't stand lemming speak.

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17. Harry Wells on June 19, 2004 3:01 PM writes...

Not surprisingly, Mac zealots like Robert have to resort to logical fallacies.

Where in my post did I defend Microsoft?
Where in my post did I claim that Apple's DRM is restrictive?

You really should do something about your reading comprehension.

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18. jim k on June 21, 2004 12:01 PM writes...

I don't see what all the excitement is about...several companies have been making devices that integrate your iPod into your car stereo, complete with steering wheel control in some cases. Here is a site for one of the better (but most expensive) devices...
http://www.densionusa.com/x/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=375&Itemid=79
I'm sure a quick check of the iPod sites could root out a few more.
So, I repeat, what is new here???
Cheers,
Jim K.

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